Chloramine!!!!!

[scubasteve]

it could be the style and make of ro units as well..... you cant tell me a $200 unit works the same or as good as a $700 unit. Thats like saying wal-mart has lab grade equipment for sale

 

[Kman]

It is because people want to trust the manufactures that make our products. I myself don't trust any of them, I know they will do anything to make a quick buck. Even cut corners. They know about the byproducts and what is or isn't filtered out, they have all tested their products. But it would probably cost more to change the membrane and pre filters and they would last longer. They sell less then and that means it hits their bottom line and they sure don't want that. So they keep things as is so you have to buy more.

 

[EricTMah]

Moral of the story.

Know your source water chemistry, rodi chemistry and USE PRIME even in rodi!

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[barebottomcouple]

it could be the style and make of ro units as well..... you cant tell me a $200 unit works the same or as good as a $700 unit. Thats like saying wal-mart has lab grade equipment for sale

I agree Steve ...but actually what is a ro/di unit but just holders for filters I personally think its the quality of the filters them selves that make the difference ..I could be wrong..

 

[jeffopentax]

Moral of the story... Toss the rodi filters and just use tap + prime!


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[EricTMah]

Moral of the story... Toss the rodi filters and just use tap + prime!


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You're missing the point. The rodi is used to pull majority of impurities out. But there's a chance that chlorimines will still be present.

I am in NO WAY saying not to use a rodi filter system.

I am saying that without testing for chlorines and chlorimines in you rodi you're just assuming they've been removed. What else in this hobby do you just assume without taking extra care. Granted I don't assume the chlorimines are all gone, and I don't test it on a regular basis. But I USE PRIME.

It's like just assuming your ca is ok and just not add ca supplements because you think they're fine or someone just told you it's fine.

By all means. If you don't want to use prime or a rodi filter. That's up to you. But I won't be held responsible when things go wrong in your system.

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[jeffopentax]

Settle down. Wasn't trying to get you all fired up! What I should have said is for me it seems a waste to bother with rodi, since things started going wrong when i did. Back to tap and prime for me .


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[EricTMah]

Settle down. Wasn't trying to get you all fired up! What I should have said is for me it seems a waste to bother with rodi, since things started going wrong when i did. Back to tap and prime for me .


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Oh. I'm not worked up.

Just explaining the reason behind my posts.

Honestly it's your tank. You can run it however you'd like. But there are still benefits to running a rodi system.

Problems started when you started using your rodi, or is it because you stopped using water conditioner. Should be what you ask yourself.



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[jeffopentax]

Oh. I'm not worked up.

Just explaining the reason behind my posts.

Honestly it's your tank. You can run it however you'd like. But there are still benefits to running a rodi system.

Problems started when you started using your rodi, or is it because you stopped using water conditioner. Should be what you ask yourself.

Either or both could be the problem. I've heard of other people never using or ditching their rodi, but still have successful tanks (scubasteve seems to have it figured out!). Seems i had better luck that way as well.


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[EricTMah]

Seems like you're reading into my posts.

Can you have a successful tank without rodi? Yes! I've seen a good friend of mine have a thriving reef for over a decade only using tap water and water conditioner.

Will you tank and it's inhabitants benefit from a cleaner source of source water? YES! No one can dispute this.

I have never in over two decades that I've been doing this for. Have I seen a tank do worse using a proper rodi system.

Will it be easier to problem solve when you use rodi? Yes! When you eliminate the largest problem(source water) out. It makes it easier to pin point problems in a tank.

Like I said. It's your system and if you feel tap water is the best way to go. Then I say go for it.

I'm just a firm believer in using filtered water for the animals we keep.

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[Jewel]

You'll find most regions are doing this in the future and You can buy RO/DI systems set up for this.

 

[Skim]

Well I bit the bullet and ordered a new RO unit from Bulk Reef Supply last night. No holding back I ordered the 6 Stage Universal Water Saver Plus and some extra filters for it, if this thing does not suck the crap out of the water I don't know what will. Now its just a waiting game.

Skim

 

[scubasteve]

@jeffopentax

Im just a freak of nature jeff
I do the impossible everyday

Some swear by ro i swear at it lol
I think i just like the looks on faces i get when i tell them i dont use it they always look at my sps and zoos with that "how is it possible" look

but like eric said theres people than can make it work and others that cant so it is all up to the users ability.

@Skim
If that dont work you can pm me for details on my prime regime

 

[Kman]

Seems like you're reading into my posts.

Can you have a successful tank without rodi? Yes! I've seen a good friend of mine have a thriving reef for over a decade only using tap water and water conditioner.

Will you tank and it's inhabitants benefit from a cleaner source of source water? YES! No one can dispute this.

I have never in over two decades that I've been doing this for. Have I seen a tank do worse using a proper rodi system.

Will it be easier to problem solve when you use rodi? Yes! When you eliminate the largest problem(source water) out. It makes it easier to pin point problems in a tank.

Like I said. It's your system and if you feel tap water is the best way to go. Then I say go for it.

I'm just a firm believer in using filtered water for the animals we keep.

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I did keep a reef for over a decade with just tap water and it thrived. In fact all I used to do was take water from the tap and dump some Prime into it and pour the water into my sump. My water source just happened to be good enough at the time and I have been in the hobby for over two decades as well so I was able to do so. But before I moved my source water became increasingly worse and I could see the negative effects starting to build up.

When I moved the tank to its new location and started using RODI my tank has never looked better and I will never run my system without using RODI or Prime. It has defiantly benefited from both.

 

[Kman]

@jeffopentax

Im just a freak of nature jeff
I do the impossible everyday

Some swear by ro i swear at it lol
I think i just like the looks on faces i get when i tell them i dont use it they always look at my sps and zoos with that "how is it possible" look

but like eric said theres people than can make it work and others that cant so it is all up to the users ability.

@Skim
If that dont work you can pm me for details on my prime regime

It does come down to experience as well as how bad your source water is if you have success or not without RODI. If you live in a apartment or in a new housing complex with a lot of construction the source water is going to be crap.

 

[jeffopentax]

Well I bit the bullet and ordered a new RO unit from Bulk Reef Supply last night. No holding back I ordered the 6 Stage Universal Water Saver Plus and some extra filters for it, if this thing does not suck the crap out of the water I don't know what will. Now its just a waiting game.

Skim

Keep us posted. If you find a combination of filters that can give you consistent 0tds with this crappy Brantford water, i may consider rodi again.


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[Skim]

I have a RO/DI unit know its the Vertex Deluxe but it looks like I need a new Membrane again, this would be the 3rd one in as many years. I believe its the booster pump and where they have put it its in after the pre filter and puts 150 to 160psi into the Membrane, I guess this is how you get the 1:1 ratio from the unit. This is the second Vertex product that has let me down and I don't think I will be buying any more in the future. I hope this Bulk Reef unit will be good and be cheaper to run in the long run. Has anyone used BRS units or even the specific one that mentioned?

Skim

 

[Neopimp]

Pretty sure the sarnia supply still uses chlorine. Even if it gets through the RODI syste m I usually let it sit in the barrel for a week, chlorine "evaporates" .. chloramines are much more stable so that doesn't work

 

[pulpfiction1]

If I remember correctly chloramine will destroy your membrane as will chlorine

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[pulpfiction1]

I have a RO/DI unit know its the Vertex Deluxe but it looks like I need a new Membrane again, this would be the 3rd one in as many years. I believe its the booster pump and where they have put it its in after the pre filter and puts 150 to 160psi into the Membrane, I guess this is how you get the 1:1 ratio from the unit. This is the second Vertex product that has let me down and I don't think I will be buying any more in the future. I hope this Bulk Reef unit will be good and be cheaper to run in the long run. Has anyone used BRS units or even the specific one that mentioned?

Skim

I would love to have that kind of pressure if you decide you want to part with it at a good price let me know

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