Automatic Kh Monitoring And Dosing!!

[Cliff]

Big news. But WAY TOO MUCH $ to me. And I like expensive tek lol
http://www.reef2reef.com/threads/be...tm_medium=email&utm_campaign=December_14_2016

 

[TORX]

Nice to see they hit the market. I am sure there will be several others to follow. $1300 USD is a little steep for the majority of us though. This would be a great investment in a larger system set up where the benefits outweigh the cost.

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[Kman]

I seen the price of that as well and was like forget it. Plus most hardware when they come out is big time glitchy and no way would I risk my tank for a new to market product. If I were to get something like this (more then likely not) I would wait a few years for things to get worked out first. To be honest something like this is kind of overkill. I have never had\have growth issues and because I am experienced I almost never test, so to measure that often is way overkill. I get someone might want it as a safe guard against ALK spikes\drops but a simple PH monitor will do the same thing at a fraction of the cost and complexity. Unfortunately this is another tech that just over complicates a tank making it more confusing for new people to the hobby. Cool concept though.

 

[Kman]

Stuff like this is cool but in my opinion it is killing the hobby. The only way to get better at this hobby is by experience by doing it manually. Just because you can do something with tech doesn't mean you know how to manage your system. What happens when your tech dies? (Notice I said when...) Most people that jumped into the hobby and got on the tech train right away would be screwed. For people like @EricTMah and I when we started it was more simple, all we had was books from the library of the ocean and we had to read the crap out of everything we could find and look at all the pictures for environmental requirements. We had to do everything manually and it made us a way better reefer because it forces you to actually look at your system and interact with it. Automatic everything takes away your interaction and tactile aspect and you loose touch with your reef. A lot of things I do are out of instinct based on years of manual interaction.

Don't get me wrong tech has its place and should only be used in certain situations. It should not be the go to option. If you are always gone and need some help\piece of mind and you have paid your dues through sweat equity then look at tech options. But one can argue if you are gone that often and are not around to enjoy your system you should not be in this hobby. If you are new and want to be a better reefer stay away from tech unless it is really needed. So you learn the interactions and complex process of your system. Then after years and years of manual get some tech to help you out or give some piece of mind. I did things manually for 25 years and within the last few years I finally got tech for my tank so when I am away I have some piece of mind. For the most part I still do things manually.

Stuff like this is super cool but should only be used in the right situation. For the majority of us it is overkill and not needed. Just my 2 cents.

 

[kapelan]

Due to the price this is dead product. It's like build a robot to take samples drop chemicals and compare color.
Too much mechanical staff that significantly reduce reliability.
This unit has 3 peristaltic pumps. I believe: first - to take sample, second/third - add chemicals
Also somehow all this system should be clean up - means maintenance time. And this maintenance time will not be less then just testing manually.
For the same reason I hate to use juice maker, not because it is bad, but because after glass of juice we have to spend half an hour cleaning this staff.
For large system this device also will not work because large system stable and it does not any sense test it every 2 hours.
Successful product must be simple - like a hammer.

 

[Kman]

The replacement parts for something like this would add up for sure.

 

[TORX]

Great points

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[EricTMah]

Like @Kman said. Manual is the best way to learn.
But to be honest. If the prices were to come down and they work through the glitches on a second or even third release. I'd be all over this.
Too many yrs of doing things manually, not to mention all the tanks I clean and look after has made me lazy in my old age.

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[Kman]

For someone like you that does it professionally I can see it possibly being worth it. For me I don't do it professionally and use my time on my tank for stress release. In my case I would probably not get it. If it was like $100 maybe. lol

 

[Canadianeh]

Once Jebao and other manufacturers start making similar device, the price will come down.

 

[Cliff]

Apex already has one in the works. This piece of equipment worries me. One glitch and boom nuked tank!

 

[AdInfinitum]

My concern would be questions of redundancy and cross referencing. In industry where we spend millions on automation equipment, important levels and batching ingredients are still overseen manually since metering errors or anomalies must be cross checked before potentially undesirable compensation occurs.

 

[EricTMah]

You guys should all pitch in and buy me one and I'll be the Guinea pig for tft

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[NEC]

Apex, ghl, have their own coming out, and the midstream is supposedly still being made.

But to be honest it's a cool thing but what's the point? Once your tank gets dialed in your not going to fluctuate very much. But a week or two of testing daily and your set. this thing will be near 2k Canadian after conversion.

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[EricTMah]

Once your tank gets dialed in your not going to fluctuate very much. But a week or two of testing daily and your set.

Maybe in your system.
Mine usually changes after a little while. As my sps grow. So does their demand.


I kinda figured this tech would get this type of response with this price tag.

I personally think it's worth every penny considering what it does for Alk stability in your system.

As hobbyists we don't have a problem spending hundreds, sometimes thousands in other tech like power heads and controllers. But gripe when we see a price tag on new tech that has no proven results yet.

I think the price point is a tad high. But not terrible either. None of us know the research and development that had to go into this thing. Not to mention all the time spent on it.


When the Apex one becomes available. I'll definitely be looking into it as soon as I can afford it.


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[scubasteve]

More tech lol NEVER. I thank my manual ways for teaching me a lot. The more time you spend on it the more things you notice. Only controllers I have are smart ato, Ai controller for lights and my hydor pump timer and I do the impossible everyday. These machines start to smoke just thinking about my system lmao