scubasteve
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I am open to different opinions but not when there is no proof or evidence behind such.
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I am open to different opinions but not when there is no proof or evidence behind such.
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just realised where you are lmaoCambridge is a little far but thanks Steve
I dont think hes condemning anything or denying. Just simply stating and giving evidence that all you older reefers stuck in your old ways isnt neccessarily the right way or only way. I think its kinda backwards here, you guys are denying the possibility of running systems without liverock, amongst oher things( not gonna start listing crap). Theres no one way to run a reef, so how about we all stop trying to beat our ways of doing things into eachothers heads. Is it not possible to discuss this kinda stuff without getting all backed up into a corner with your claws out. And to say that cunas tank is simply a frag tank is a little ignorant..why cause he has no rock?? Sure in nature, theres lots of rocks, but is there anything natural about our tanks???i think not. You can run a reef anyway you please, just because you have rock doesnt mean everyone has to, all in personal preference.ya I also have had a lot of people of this site see my system up for 5 years and pristine not a drop of cyno. algae or any other crap.. reef hero is not open to ideas just condemning of decades proven practices how long have fuges been around.....and read what io pellets do.. they Feed bacteria... why would I feed bacteria when they are supposed to "feed" .. I feed my bacteria fish crap.. and you still have to skim heavy bio pellets history about 5 years vs refugiums decades .. hay hero go see Steve's system or come see mine proof is in the water... you reed articles awesome try Robert fenner (yes the king of marine aquariums and wet web media) and Anthony calfo"s book THE NATURAL MARINE AQUARIUM SERIES. both wrote hunderds of books and articles and dedicated to refugium aquaria... maybe your fug. didn't work because of a lack of maintenance and cuna's tank I see 2 fish and not to insult cuna's tank at all but with all due respect its not a reef tank its a frag tank and we all run frag tanks without much at all some even just hob aqua clears and no skimmers and they work...put 25 fish in there and feed 2 times a day and well see just how efficient that is for how long...please no offence to cuna at all nothing but respect here amazing looking corals there... hay mr fox just build yourself a balanced system do research and commit to what ever you go with is the bottom line
My only beef here regarding nitrate control is the use of GAC as a sole reliable method to control nitrates. I have not witnessed any reefer successfully control their nitrates with only the use of GAC. Do you have any proof of a reef aquarium hobbyist being able to control their nitrates long term with the use of only GAC?
My other beef is being told it's not possible to control a coral reef tank long term without the use of rock, sand, or fish.... I was simply stating that it not actually required anymore..... I'm not stating that a refugium or carbon dosing are poor methods by any means here. In fact, I posted a link to a reef magazine recently released that covers all the various and latest proven methods used by reefers..
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Except i simply told a member something that would help in an emerg not a sole reliance to begin with..... and as one of the links show a treatment facility in europe only uses that for nitrate controle so is possible just saying
hay dude never said he was wrong or condemned what he was doing I gave him nothing but respect he has experience and it works for him if you read my posts just meant it was not a heavy FISH stocked reef... never ever did I condemn and never said my way was the only way just that it was the best way that worked for me. Mr. fox asked for opinions and experience and gave mine. if we 'fugers' have to respect other systems then HOW BOUT THE SAME BACK talk bout ignorant one sided. if I get called wrong then expect me to come back with defence.I dont think hes condemning anything or denying. Just simply stating and giving evidence that all you older reefers stuck in your old ways isnt neccessarily the right way or only way. I think its kinda backwards here, you guys are denying the possibility of running systems without liverock, amongst oher things( not gonna start listing crap). Theres no one way to run a reef, so how about we all stop trying to beat our ways of doing things into eachothers heads. Is it not possible to discuss this kinda stuff without getting all backed up into a corner with your claws out. And to say that cunas tank is simply a frag tank is a little ignorant..why cause he has no rock?? Sure in nature, theres lots of rocks, but is there anything natural about our tanks???i think not. You can run a reef anyway you please, just because you have rock doesnt mean everyone has to, all in personal preference.
I've always wanted to try these things, but I've never been able to find a finite answer.
1. How much better if at all are they than chaeto? Chaeto grows a lot faster than mangroves but I can understand that it doesn't NECESSARILY mean they are better for nutrient export. (but it might!)
2. How MANY mangroves do you need say per gallon if you are using them as a form of nutrient export? Many people who have had success with them seem to have A LOT of them growing. 1 or 2 is pretty much decoration with little benefit.
3. This ties into number 1 and 2 I guess, but with the maintenance of having to clean the leaves daily (or a few times a week at the very least), overall can anyone really say that this a more effective way to control nutrients compared to running a simple fuge with macro algaes that requires almost 0 attention other than harvesting the algae and cutting it back from time to time? I get that if you have an open top tank that these can add a great visual effect and serve a purpose that way, but strictly speaking of those who run them hidden away in a sump, and have zero decorative value, is it worth your time to maintain these things?
I don't think you have to harvest the leaves, not that I know anyway, What works anyway? I think they are a nice addition to a system and if you can get them to prosper then you can sell them. They'll definitely help your system